{"id":89,"date":"2010-11-08T12:16:00","date_gmt":"2010-11-08T12:16:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/geoplanit.co.uk\/?p=89"},"modified":"2010-11-08T12:16:00","modified_gmt":"2010-11-08T12:16:00","slug":"the-great-grey-asby-part-2-thoughts-gab10-ruralbroadband","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/?p=89","title":{"rendered":"The Great Grey Asby (Part 2 &#8211; Thoughts) #gab10 #ruralbroadband"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><a href=\"http:\/\/geoplanit.blogspot.com\/2010\/11\/great-grey-asby-part-1-gab10.html\">Please read part one for background to this piece.<\/a><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">It was part way through these #gab10 presentations that I realised what bothered me so much:<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<table align=\"center\" cellpadding=\"0\" cellspacing=\"0\" class=\"tr-caption-container\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_Yz9w28cDOmU\/TNfnI0pEw0I\/AAAAAAAAENM\/csE4vQ1IL30\/s1600\/gab10_meeting.jpg\" imageanchor=\"1\" style=\"margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/4.bp.blogspot.com\/_Yz9w28cDOmU\/TNfnI0pEw0I\/AAAAAAAAENM\/csE4vQ1IL30\/s1600\/gab10_meeting.jpg?w=696\" \/><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"tr-caption\" style=\"text-align: center;\">Great Asby Village hall and the attendees!<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Can you see it?&nbsp; Well of course you can, the majority of attendees look somewhat, how shall I put this? Grey-haired?&nbsp; I know <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/loulouk\">@loulouk<\/a>\u2019s post suggest there was no one under 45:<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<blockquote><p>\u201cAll of them, I think, were over 45. Bar Rory&#8217;s team, the guest speakers and a few &#8216;experts&#8217; invited along, no one in the hall was under 45. Someone apparently said they were struggling to enthuse their local parish with the opportunities broadband would bring to the community, and that they had responded that if the older generation couldnt be enthused then maybe the under 20&#8217;s could be. The reply? There aren&#8217;t any, they&#8217;ve all left because there is no broadband.\u201d&nbsp;Source : <a href=\"http:\/\/ashinyworld.blogspot.com\/2010\/11\/gab10.html\">A Shiny World &#8220;#gab10&#8221;<\/a><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Well I was there and I am 32!&nbsp;&nbsp; But the point is well made, but I think I have an answer to this riddle of why few younger people turned up.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<ol>\n<li><span style=\"font: normal normal normal 7pt\/normal 'Times New Roman';\">&nbsp;<\/span>for me I had to leave early as it was bonfire night in <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sedbergh.org.uk\/\">Sedbergh <\/a>at 7pm<\/li>\n<li>Saturday\u2019s are difficult for many if you work all week a meeting in the middle of nowhere about computers isn\u2019t that enticing&#8230;<\/li>\n<li>I got my invite via Twitter, how were other people identified?&nbsp; My guess is through Parish councils and local businesses?&nbsp;&nbsp; If it\u2019s via community groups we know these are not attended well by working age younger people, just because we don\u2019t have the time!<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">This really goes to the heart of the matter and I know from <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/\">Twitter <\/a>and blog posts that a lot of people went away heartened and enthused by this initiative.&nbsp;&nbsp; \u201cBoo!\u201d to <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bt.com\/\">BT <\/a>and \u201churrah!\u201d for local community projects.&nbsp;&nbsp; I left feeling differently, and yes I know I left just before the round table sessions.&nbsp; So here are my general thoughts and <i>please note I often like to play devil\u2019s advocate!<\/i><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">There\u2019s a reason why I don\u2019t live near my parents home and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.garsdaledesign.co.uk\/\">business <\/a>in Sedbergh, and this may come as a shock to some of those at Great Asby on Saturday, <b style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">it is not due to lack of superfast broadband.<\/b>&nbsp;&nbsp; Broadband is way down on my list of priorities when choosing a house.&nbsp;&nbsp; Is it affordable and near where I work?&nbsp;&nbsp; That\u2019s what I care most about.&nbsp;&nbsp; I live in Carlisle and broadband speeds are shockingly bad, so bad that my parents house in Sedbergh outperforms mine at home.&nbsp;&nbsp; Do I care that much?&nbsp; Not really as Carlisle is where I could afford a house.&nbsp; I basically can\u2019t afford to care.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Essentially my family (wife and daughter) and I been priced out of certain areas in Cumbria.&nbsp; Whose fault is it?&nbsp; It\u2019s the retired people, or people like my parents (who could retire but choose to work) <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/uk-england-cumbria-11683832\">the news that the over 50s are taking over Cumbria is not a surprise<\/a>.&nbsp;&nbsp; With their final salary pensions and young retirement age they got on to the property ladder long ago and now post work have decided to purchase houses in rural areas without it seems much thought as to their future (when they need care for example).&nbsp;&nbsp; Combine that with Cumbria\u2019s Local Planning Authorities\u2019 obsession with limiting new houses and allowing barn conversions only for holiday homes.&nbsp; We young working age families never had chance of being able to afforde houses in rural areas of Cumbria.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">At Great Asby you\u2019d be forgiven for thinking that broadband will solve everything, the young will stay if they have fibre optic in the village.&nbsp; No we won\u2019t and we can\u2019t, <b style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">fibre optic broadband will just add more value to the house prices<\/b> and working age young people with families will still not be able to afford living in these rural areas.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><b>To avoid the perils of house price rises due to superfast access we need to ensure that fibre is universal<\/b> (that way it isn\u2019t part of the purchase decision on a house).&nbsp;&nbsp; I would think most people want a national infrastructure for fibre broadband (I do), but to deliver a national infrastructure either the Government needs to step up and do it or large private companies need to be forced to do it.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Either way, small local projects funded with what is effectively peanuts cannot deliver in a comprehensive way a meaningful solution.&nbsp;&nbsp; Sorry but they can\u2019t.&nbsp;&nbsp; <\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">This argument that national fibre is <i style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">prohibitively expensive<\/i> to deliver is nonsense.&nbsp; Yes it is expensive but we could perhaps look at what government spends its money on, for instance do we need the ability to blow half the world up with nuclear weapons (I\u2019m talking trident)?&nbsp;&nbsp; Or here\u2019s a novel thought: if fibre optics will truly change our country for the better perhaps we\u2019ll recover those costs and then some!&nbsp;&nbsp; Remembering the meeting I know that fibre has a life of 50 years or more&#8230;&nbsp;&nbsp; The railways were very expensive to build but have paid us back in revenue and new business opportunities over and over.&nbsp;&nbsp; Let us not think short term costs here, we should consider this a long term <i style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">investment<\/i>, not a long term <i style=\"mso-bidi-font-style: normal;\">cost<\/i>.<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">Most people boo\u2019d at the mention of BT in the meeting probably because they seem to be abusing their monopolistic position.&nbsp; But let\u2019s face it, that\u2019s the nature of capitalism and it\u2019s not necessarily BTs fault.&nbsp;&nbsp; BT is a private company looking after themselves and their shareholders (and shareholders are often pension providers I might add!).&nbsp;&nbsp; Rather than criticising and complaining about BT we should be using its massive reach and infrastructure as part of the solution.&nbsp;&nbsp; Any superfast network must be a national project, <b style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">because exclusion is a national issue whether you are in a rural area or in a inner city deprived area.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/b><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">The people meeting in Great Asby were there to ensure that rural areas are not excluded from access to the internet at superfast speeds.&nbsp; The issues being tackled at the meeting are bigger than some piece of cable being laid and we shouldn\u2019t forget that.&nbsp; <b style=\"mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;\">This is not really about the technology this is about access to services now and in the future.<o:p><\/o:p><\/b><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><o:p><br \/><\/o:p><\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/p>\n<div style=\"font-size: x-large; font-weight: bold;\">A Last Word &#8230;&nbsp;<\/div>\n<p>It was a great meeting and I was surprised at the number of attendees I just hope that expectations are not raised by the politicians and civil servants so much that even small successes are seen as disappointments. <\/p>\n<p>I also hope those that attended are active within other areas to, for example planning and the provision of new affordable (by that I mean cheap not shared ownership) homes in villages as well as using local services such as the post office. <\/p>\n<p>As important as fibre optic broadband is there are other things out there of equal or more importance. &nbsp;My advice\/hope is that these extraordinary people who attended Great Asby on Saturday are not distracted by the flashy technology.<\/p>\n<p><\/p>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\">\n<div style=\"margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-top: 0px;\"><b>Related Links<\/b><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"MsoNormal\"><\/div>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/johnpopham.wordpress.com\/2010\/11\/07\/an-inspirational-two-days-in-eden\/\">An inspirational two days in Eden<\/a>&nbsp;by&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/johnpopham\">@johnpopham<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/ashinyworld.blogspot.com\/2010\/11\/gab10.html\">#gab10<\/a>&nbsp;by&nbsp;<a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/loulouk\">@loulouk<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/ruraluk.posterous.com\/some-key-questions-for-the-designers-of-bduk\">Some Key Questions for the Designers of BDUK Rural Broadband Pilots<\/a> by <a href=\"http:\/\/twitter.com\/RuralUK\">@RuralUK<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Please read part one for background to this piece. It was part way through these #gab10 presentations that I realised what bothered me so much: Great Asby Village hall and the attendees! Can you see it?&nbsp; Well of course you can, the majority of attendees look somewhat, how shall I put this? Grey-haired?&nbsp; I know [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":161,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[122,70,124,123,125],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-89","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","category-broadband","category-cumbria","category-great-asby","category-internet","category-rural"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/89","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/161"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=89"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/89\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=89"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=89"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=89"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}