{"id":70,"date":"2010-07-01T23:06:00","date_gmt":"2010-07-01T23:06:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/geoplanit.co.uk\/?p=70"},"modified":"2019-04-15T20:42:31","modified_gmt":"2019-04-15T20:42:31","slug":"off-topic-flying-with-a-baby-car-seats-and-airplanes","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/?p=70","title":{"rendered":"Off Topic: Flying with a baby, car seats and airplanes"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Okay this is very off topic but my recent trip to Canada with my young family taught me something.&nbsp;&nbsp; I never thought about it before but travelling with a baby (mine being one year old) is a bit tricky.&nbsp; In fact it seems like she has more luggage than me!<\/p>\n<table class=\"tr-caption-container\" style=\"float: left; margin-right: 1em; text-align: left;\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\">\n<tbody>\n<tr>\n<td style=\"text-align: center;\"><a style=\"clear: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;\" href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_Yz9w28cDOmU\/TMvsifRQqyI\/AAAAAAAAEMA\/9JyHVYAwRNE\/s1600\/britax-eclipse-5-a26-l.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/1.bp.blogspot.com\/_Yz9w28cDOmU\/TMvsifRQqyI\/AAAAAAAAEMA\/9JyHVYAwRNE\/s200\/britax-eclipse-5-a26-l.jpg?resize=177%2C200\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" width=\"177\" height=\"200\"><\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<tr>\n<td class=\"tr-caption\" style=\"text-align: center;\">Source: <a href=\"http:\/\/www.britax.co.uk\/car-seats\/eclipse\">Britax<\/a><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/tbody>\n<\/table>\n<p>Anyway lets get to the real issue and that is car seats.&nbsp; If you are travelling with a child and you have booked a seat it seems that many airlines require you to have a car seat&#8230;. aha this is where it gets tricky because very few will let you know what is acceptable.&nbsp; Add to that the fact that north american airlines have different rules and you have some issues!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; North America and Europe have different standards so its important you know what type of car seat to bring&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>I haven&#8217;t got all the answers but here is what I know from my recent trip<\/p>\n<p>Our car seat: Britax Eclipse <a href=\"http:\/\/www.britax.co.uk\/car-seats\/eclipse\">http:\/\/www.britax.co.uk\/car-seats\/eclipse<\/a><br \/>\n<strong>Out to Canada flight: <\/strong><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Check-in at BMI desk, a staff member called a supervisor to check our car seat.&nbsp; We were told it needed to be a five point harness and be able to secured with a lap belt.<\/li>\n<li>The hostess on the BMI domestic flight came and checked we knew how to install it and to ensure it was secure.<\/li>\n<li>Connecting in Heathrow was a nightmare try carrying a large car seat at speed through Heathrow (come to think of it try going at speed through Heathrow normally!).<\/li>\n<li>On the Air Canada flight again we were asked if we knew how to install it and someone then came to check it was secure&#8230;<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p><strong> Return to UK flight:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ol><a style=\"clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-left: 1em;\" href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/_Yz9w28cDOmU\/TC0ZnOwumSI\/AAAAAAAADbg\/v3kw0aSUBJQ\/s1600\/ece_label_en.jpg\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/2.bp.blogspot.com\/_Yz9w28cDOmU\/TC0ZnOwumSI\/AAAAAAAADbg\/v3kw0aSUBJQ\/s200\/ece_label_en.jpg?resize=179%2C200\" border=\"0\" alt=\"\" width=\"179\" height=\"200\"><\/a>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<li>Check in at Air Canada desk car seat wasn&#8217;t questioned&#8230;<\/li>\n<li>On the Air Canada flight an air hostess asked to see a red sticker, apparently North American car seats have some kind of sticker indicating compliance with a sticker.&nbsp; This being a UK one it has an orange sticker saying it complies with ECE R44\/04 certification.&nbsp; I did say that this seat complied with Air Canada&#8217;s own rules (as stated by their sales team) we had enough trouble just getting them to tell us this&#8230; anyway we were allowed on after her supervisor (I think) looked at it and checked how it was secured.<\/li>\n<li>The BMI flight a member staff (ground crew)took our car seat and said they would get someone to install it for us, which was very nice until we got to our seat and they had left the strap that secured it twisted and very loose!&nbsp; (Make sure it is tight as turbulence might be an issue!).&nbsp; When we started to put our daughter in the seat the Air attendant said that he thought we should have her on our lap during take off and landing&#8230;. argh!&nbsp; Fortunately he said he would check and then never returned.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p>One more thing: I bought a device to drag our car seat around airports I can&#8217;t say how much this saved my back! &nbsp; It seems to fit most car seats (including our Britax Eclipse), this is it, I purchased it in Canada (at BabyDepot in Kitchener, Ontario <a href=\"http:\/\/www.thebabydepot.ca\/\">http:\/\/www.thebabydepot.ca\/<\/a>) as I haven&#8217;t found it in the UK (anyone any ideas??). It&#8217;s called the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.gogobabyz.com\/product-i14550-c26-g6-b0-p0-gogo_Kidz_Travelmate_.aspx\">GoGo Kidz Travelmate<\/a>.&nbsp;&nbsp; Only thing I would say about it is that we had to take it off to fit through airport scanners and it has the worlds longest screw on it when people are tsk tsk ing behind you&#8230;.<\/p>\n<p>Before this trip I got the following emails first from <strong>Air Canada<\/strong>:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Thank you for your email.<\/p>\n<p>For your forthcoming flight with your daughter, you will require a <span class=\"il\">car<\/span> <span class=\"il\">seat<\/span>. &nbsp;The <span class=\"il\">car<\/span> <span class=\"il\">seat<\/span> must ensure that item  displays an ECE R44\/04 certificate label which indicates that it  complies with Standards Safety Regulations and requirements.<\/p>\n<p>From April 2008, all child <span class=\"il\">car<\/span> seats that were  manufactured before 1995 and approved to ECE R Standard Regulations  44\/01 and 44\/02 are no longer legal and must not be used.<\/p>\n<p>You may not use a booster <span class=\"il\">seat<\/span> or cushion as it  is not desgined for aircraft use.<\/p>\n<p>I trust this is the information you require, and should you have any  further queries, please do not hesitate to contact me.<\/p>\n<p>Yours Sincerely<\/p>\n<p>Customer Relations<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong>Next from Britax:<\/strong><\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Thank you for your email.<\/p>\n<p>The CAA accept a child seat that is approved to the European Standard and suitable for use with a lap belt. However, as the ultimate responsibility for using the seat on the aircraft lies with the airline, we always recommend that you contact them for confirmation and check that the seat in question will fit (dimensionally) on their airline seat.<\/p>\n<p>We have had positive feedback from users concerning use of the Freeway, Prince (or Fisher Price Forward facing Child Seat) on BA flights. Although the Eclipse and Renaissance technically comply with the above rules we have not had similar feedback from customers concerning these models.<\/p>\n<p>Please note that FAA airlines are likely to have different regulations.<\/p>\n<p>The dimensions of the seats are as follows:<\/p>\n<p>Freeway, Prince<br \/>\nWidth = 43cm<br \/>\nHeight = 72cm<br \/>\nLength = 47cm<\/p>\n<p>Eclipse<br \/>\nWidth = 43 cm<br \/>\nHeight = 65 cm<br \/>\nLength = 47 cm<\/p>\n<p>In regards to regulations this is a legal requirement that we have to comply to and not a general decision, there is no worldwide regulation.<\/p>\n<p>We do hope that this is of assistance to you.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Okay this is very off topic but my recent trip to Canada with my young family taught me something.&nbsp;&nbsp; I never thought about it before but travelling with a baby (mine being one year old) is a bit tricky.&nbsp; In fact it seems like she has more luggage than me! Source: Britax Anyway lets get [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":161,"featured_media":136,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[151,98,60],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-70","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","category-featured","category-offtopic","category-opinion"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/161"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=70"}],"version-history":[{"count":4,"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":4853,"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/70\/revisions\/4853"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/136"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=70"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=70"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.geoplanit.co.uk\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=70"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}